Clomid

[Spins]

Thanks all. From what I've been told, TRT is something that you may need to be on awhile before you start to feel better/improvements. My urologist said the shut down of sperm can be quick as everyone responds differently. With clomid, I thought I might be able to get my testosterone up to lift the fatigue that feeling. Over the last 3 years since since my crash, my testosterone dropped from 480 to 320 to 220. I am in my mid 30s so that is NOT normal. i took these tests roughly a year apart. So there is definitely something wrong upstairs. I just don't want to mess myself up more.

[Jazzmatazz]

TRT will make you infertile without hcg.

Clomid is fine and many bodybuilders before you have used it to restart their HPTA.
Just take care of any eye related symptoms you experience because it can cause some serious eye damage.

A potential better route is nolvadex. It’ll raise your LH and get things going again.

TRT won't necessarily make you in fertile due to the lack of progestogenic effects. Many people have had children while on TRT or even heavily blasting. If testosterone alone made us infertile they wouldn't have invested millions in researching MENT.

And yes, clomid has been used by many people, but why take the risk when HCG is much safe and cheaper for a PCT? Not to mention the OP has been offered TRT or clomid, which means his doctor might be thinking of having him on clomid permanently. Hell no.

Thanks all. From what I've been told, TRT is something that you may need to be on awhile before you start to feel better/improvements. My urologist said the shut down of sperm can be quick as everyone responds differently. With clomid, I thought I might be able to get my testosterone up to lift the fatigue that feeling. Over the last 3 years since since my crash, my testosterone dropped from 480 to 320 to 220. I am in my mid 30s so that is NOT normal. i took these tests roughly a year apart. So there is definitely something wrong upstairs. I just don't want to mess myself up more.

If you've had 3 low readings spread a year apart, I'd say you're past the phase of not trying to mess yourself more. TRT will let you lead a normal life in exchange for the hassle of having to inject yourself.

[IHateProzac]

All, looking for some feedback on those who have tried clomid. I recently took a blood test and my testosterone was low so my doctor suggested either trt or clomid. Clomid was recommended to preserve my fertility in case of trying to have kids. I'm not looking for a miracle cure with it but was hoping that it helps with at least some of symptoms. Any feedback would be much appreciated.

Have you had your FSH & LH tested alongside with your testosterone? I have taken clomid, even though my testosterone has always been fine. My FSH is always high. It didn't help with anything at all.

[Spins]

I did have my LH and FH tested and they were "normal" but definitely on the low end of what was shown. I started 25mg clomid yesterday (50mg tablet cut in half) as approved by my doctor and taking it 3 days a week. I noticed some difference. Little more responsive down there vs. being completely dead. At this point, I'll take any positive improvement it gives any of the symptoms such that I can get back a little bit of normal function (mentally and sexually). I also use penile injections. For males on here with serious ed issues, the injections work and work well. Better than cialis and viagra and more localized so less side effects.

[naiverat]

I'm going to be trialing tamoxifen in 1-2 months. Just received a script from my doctor. My overall T is in the 500-600s, but free T is low (high SHBG). I've responded positively to naltrexone, which boosts LH and thus T, in the past. If tamoxifen solves all my sexual issues, I might jump on TRT + HCG permanently and call it a day. I think T is much better long-term than SERMs. SERMs should be more of a probing agent or way to restart a sluggish pituitary.

Keep us updated! Very interested in others' results with SERMs!

[Jazzmatazz]

I'm going to be trialing tamoxifen in 1-2 months. Just received a script from my doctor. My overall T is in the 500-600s, but free T is low (high SHBG). I've responded positively to naltrexone, which boosts LH and thus T, in the past. If tamoxifen solves all my sexual issues, I might jump on TRT + HCG permanently and call it a day. I think T is much better long-term than SERMs. SERMs should be more of a probing agent or way to restart a sluggish pituitary.

Keep us updated! Very interested in others' results with SERMs!

Have you considered trying mesterolone? It's safer than tamoxifen, and specifically used for cases of high SHBG, if I recall correctly.

[naiverat]

JazzMatazz, I actually purchased some mesterolone but haven't tried it yet. While I realize it would lower SHBG and likely improve sexual function, I don't want to take an AAS (even though it's fairly weak), as it may reduce natural T production. Plus, lowering SHBG is sometimes barking up the wrong tree. It's a carrier protein for T, so without it, I would metabolize my T much faster and have much lower overall blood levels.

Whether the problem lies with high SHBG production or whether that is just a symptom of holding onto the smaller amount of T I'm producing is yet to be decided.

mesterolone is illegal in the US, so I bought it more as a probing agent than for long-term use. I don't know if I could get consistent pharma-grade product without paying exorbitant costs, even if it did work wonders.

[Brian cook]

Hello Spins,

Can you give us an update please? I really hope you are doing better.

[Spins]

Hello Spins,

Can you give us an update please? I really hope you are doing better.

Yes, sure. So it's only been a little over a week on clomid single therapy (not taking it with anything else). My doctor started me at 50mg every other day for just 3 days a week. With her approval, I actually started at 25mg every other day because I dont want another adverse reaction. As far as what it is doing to my hormone levels (testosterone, any increase in estrogen, etc), I wont know that for about another month for my next scheduled blood draw. My T was very low for my age. Now, in terms of improvements, I would say my experience has been positive. Just to level set everyone, I have a severe case in terms of sexual dysfunction. Total inability to have sex naturally, cognitive issues, head pressure and extreme fatigue. I have noticed a little more of that animal instinct over the last week. Watching porno made me feel horny but still very much impotent. It is not normal, but there is life down there from being 100% dead before. My testicles dont feel so cold and dead and maybe they are a little volume increase like they are actually working. I also use injections for erections. They work. It sucks to do this but they will make you hard as a rock. The biggest improvement so far had been my energy. I attribute this directly to clomid. Its either because my T is higher or because I am sleeping better. I have had some of the most vivid dreams over the last week on clomid. Very vivid dreams, something I had lost suffering from this condition. Cognitive focus has been better, although it comes and goes. I think its directly related to not being so tired all the time. I will keep you guys posted. I dont plan on stopping this because the long term consequences of having my T in the toilet in no good. Even if I dont feel the effects, I will give this at least a year.

[Brian cook]

Thank you very much Spins for your reply. May i ask you why did your doctor put you on clomid and not TRT or HCG?
Did he tell you if you have to be on clomid for life? or once you T level is good you can stop it and it will fix it? I am afraid that the T level drops after stopping the clomid.

After one week, do you think it has improved your libido and sex drive?

Thanks man