SJW alone can bring me up to an 8/10 after a few doses, which is amazing.
The issue is that the effects do not LAST upon cessation. They do linger for a few days, and then eventually the numbness sets in.
I also crash so hard from such simple things like Zinc supps, Ginger, potatoe starch etc.
Also worth noting, I tried literally 6 different brands of SJW... only the Ze 117 had a positive effect.