Betaine HCl

[AnhedonicApe]

I'm sorry to hear you've crashed AnhedonicApe, it's possible that it was the Betaine, however we've also seen a lot of people see improvements on Choline CDP and Betaine, (even seen a recovery on the former), and haven't seen other crashes. Vitamin B12 and Choline are methyl donors and part of our every day diets, so I'm skeptical that we should be avoiding certain foods due to their methyl donor properties

I have spoken to several others who have crashed just like me on methyl donors, with permanent worsening. Some people on B12, some on betaine. I am not saying it's bad for everyone. Sadly with PSSD no one is the same. What I am saying is, is watch out, because it's less innocent then it may seem. I am not saying u should stop eating everything that contains it. Just watch out with taking extra supplements, because I and others severly crashed on it. Check out this thread: https://forum.propeciahelp.com/t/a-warn ... mins/32044

[raven100]

That's quite a worrying thread thanks for sharing, could definitely be more to this than I initially gave credit for

[kpavel]

I'm sorry to hear you've crashed AnhedonicApe, it's possible that it was the Betaine, however we've also seen a lot of people see improvements on Choline CDP and Betaine, (even seen a recovery on the former), and haven't seen other crashes. Vitamin B12 and Choline are methyl donors and part of our every day diets, so I'm skeptical that we should be avoiding certain foods due to their methyl donor properties

I took DMG in November for several days. I felt that skin under eyes is more tired? so stopped that. Same for piracetam. CDP choline taken once this JAN gave me despair like thoughts. Someone mentioned this already.

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I take beetroot juice daily, and it is a source of betaine

[afx]

I'm sorry to hear you've crashed AnhedonicApe, it's possible that it was the Betaine, however we've also seen a lot of people see improvements on Choline CDP and Betaine, (even seen a recovery on the former), and haven't seen other crashes. Vitamin B12 and Choline are methyl donors and part of our every day diets, so I'm skeptical that we should be avoiding certain foods due to their methyl donor properties

I have spoken to several others who have crashed just like me on methyl donors, with permanent worsening. Some people on B12, some on betaine. I am not saying it's bad for everyone. Sadly with PSSD no one is the same. What I am saying is, is watch out, because it's less innocent then it may seem. I am not saying u should stop eating everything that contains it. Just watch out with taking extra supplements, because I and others severly crashed on it. Check out this thread: https://forum.propeciahelp.com/t/a-warn ... mins/32044

Did You give a thought to a possibility that Betaine crashed You mainly because it releases Estrogen from the cells? Also what points to that possibility is that You also developed gyno suddenly. Just an aspect that I would seriously think of that may be behind Your crash, despite for Betaine being a methyl donor, may not be the main mechanism that caused Your worsening… (this doesnt mean taking high doses of methyls is a good idea)… Sometimes we may get too focused on one aspect and miss the real one on the way - just something to keep in mind and consider