guacamo wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 12:11 am
JakeLawe wrote: ↑Mon Jul 05, 2021 3:35 pm
Shamanana wrote: ↑Mon Jun 28, 2021 5:31 am
I wonder why its hard to imagine that drugs that are literally used for chemical castration might cause persistent issues for some.
I wonder why it's hard to imagine that the sexual energy can't be destroyed, nor the depressive energy they can only be transformed. Why it's hard to imagine a conversion disorder triggered by the ingestion of the pills and prolonged by the mind as a self mechanism against depression.
How would you explain otherwise healthy person to detoriate after taking medicine and never go back to the normal state after quiting? If that would be mental why people are helped by certain substances, their symptoms can subside 100% for few days, then go back to the usual PSSD state? Some or most of the people here did not need to be taken to SSRI in the first place. They are overprescribed, because scared psychiatrists are afraid to let go their patients without prescription and medical scheme is to always start with SSRI and then see what happens. There is no discussion of potential side effects or dialogue about what would patient prefer based on side effects of the drug. I bet no one on this forum was adviced that SSRI produce sexual symptoms during taking even not related to PSSD. This sort of thinking that PSSD is some sort of transformation of energy in the mind is on the level of saying that we really live life only in a dream and waking up is fake life. It is baseless, relies on no data, is against evidence and common sense. PSSD in etiology is biomolecular and is in competency of neurobiology. I and i can guess many more on this forum no more have the symptoms that we tried to cure by SSRIs in the first place. I am healthy with or without pssd i have no more worries than normal person, what does resonate in me roughly speaking is blunted affect started by SSRIs and it did not subside upon quiting. Can not express it more directly. Every sensation you ever felt, feel and will feel in the future starts and ends within the brain. It is a matter of amount of neurons, amount of receptor expressions, their type, sensitivity to the ligand, enzymatic exchanges that take place within the cell. Sexuality is no hermit in this case. You can click certain things in the brain and make genius a retard, hypersexual to asexual, high achiever to lazy netflix binger. We on this forum do not concern ourselfes with all of this, because trying to unravell all of this lies above our and current science competency. However we do concern ourselfes with the genesis and etiopatology of PSSD because everyone firmly believes it can be cured, based also on recovery cases presented all over the internet. It is foremost task and mission for everyone that ever visited this forum. Finding dots between certain mechanism of recovery stories is why this forum does not cease to exist. Relying on psychology that does not provide equations but only baseless assumptions and predictions of behavior is in this case pointless and it is nothing but a waste of time.
Ok, look. First of all, use paragraphs. It was a chore reading or attempting to read all that without. Certainly you know the way the brain prefers to read if there's resting spaces no?
Second: nobody here or anywhere knows what's going on. I don't, you don't, the very chemists that came with sertraline and are already dead don't, but even if they were alive they wouldn't know.
I agree patients should be warned of potential phenomenons linked to ingestion before hand. it's meant life is and death for many, but it's a barbaric world at times, nothing short of the middle ages regarding the rights of patients. The illusion that there's "experts" behind society may be but that, an illusion. Is just people as confused as we are and some assholes in between. Our "crime" was to trust on said experts. But trust in itself is what we need now.
Some people DO go back to normal, some of us do. so i disagree with your very first statement.
Now, I don't know 100% what's going on either. I'm asking questions and joining dots as best I can but to answer your question with the hypothesis I subscribe the most:
People would be helped with certain substances because 1.- could be placebo. 2.- the substance has actual antidepressive/anxiolitic properties that therefore provide relief in both: mental and physical symptoms
They then "go back to pssd" because depression is hard to treat, the substance stops working.. also a conversion disorder is also hard to, can take years. also people can be hysterics, saying broccoli crashed them etc.. it's a sort of hypochondria or that precisely. Mind-body relationship is backed by science. People could be going through a great time in their lives or a rather unpleasant one, that's also bound to have an impact.
I don't agree with many things you say but for the sake of topic I'll leave it like that. Is this psychosomatic? is this purely physical/"mechanical"? combination? I've no idea.
There's at least one guy that got a numb dick and he didn't take anything at all... now, conversion disorders usually involve more dramatic symptoms but numbness is among them.
Energy ain't destroyed. The depressive energy went somewhere.. my take? to one's dick. am I 100% sure of this? no. of course not.
My treatment for everyone is: keep treating your mental health by all means necessary, therapy, exercise, diet, supplements, medicine, change of lifestyle, change of attitude, change of personality, change of identity, new girlfriend, new job, new city, a cat, learn to Love, be grateful, fake it til you make it, cry, laugh as possible, etc, whatever.. THEN.. IF this is somatic and there's no more depression.. then one's dick will be freed, one's physical health will follow.
Alternatively the depression could fully go back to the mind too but I think the former approach is overall better.
On this hypothesis, I am by no means saying the ingestion of the ssri was coincidence for the somatization.. that's no coincidence.. we're conditioned to think the pill will do something.. and it may, actually.. but I'm thinking the mind takes the opportunity to relieve itself by transferring some of that energy to one's genitals.. so the pill started it but is one's mind prolonging it. The location and nature of the symptom may also be our own body/mind telling us something, it's no coincidence either, perhaps some rather unhealthy habits need change.
Of course maybe is something else. Either way the treatment seems the same to me: Have a good time as possible and regret not a thing as possible and be grateful even under torture and while living a nightmare as possible. Make a nightmare a beautiful nightmare as possible.
Again, we come to this forum for several reasons. And I'm still experiencing a numb dick but maybe I don't care anymore.
We've no choice but to keep questioning of course. We're the experts regarding this phenomenon after all..